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11 March 2010, 1:02 PM
Climate scientists come out fighting against climate change foes
Dr Rajenda Pachauri, head of IPCC

Politicians may flutter in the wind of public opinion polls, but science doesn't care what people think, say climate scientists as they fight growing public skepticism about global warming and its causes.

Today, some 2,000 scientists and economists sent a letter to the Senate, asking for immediate reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. This follows yesterday's announcement by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Re-arming themselves with scientific facts from a report on climate change that won the 2007 Noble Peace Prize, the IPCC has launched a campaign to counter the "climategate" image sewn by climate change detractors and deniers.

But, even as scientists come out swinging, they have yet another opinion poll to deal with: a Gallup poll, just released, that shows nearly half of the American public are unconcerned about global warming, with many of them doubtful it even exists. This is up from 30 percent not so long ago.

For very good reason, the IPCC believes public opinion is driven by those trumpeting small mistakes in the climate science community. Last year, leaked emails from climate scientists were depicted in the world press as "climategate" proof that science itself could not be trusted. In the midst of that to-do, two minor details in IPCC's report were revealed as being inaccurate.

The revelations almost overshadowed and certainly helped cripple the world conference on climate change in Copenhagen, which ended in virtual failure as countries couldn't reach a strong, binding agreement on fighting climate change. Since then, political foes of climate change legislation in the U.S. Congress have used "climategate" to help fuel their attack efforts.

Against all this, the IPCC is fighting back. A special program on Public Radio International depicts the campaign as an effort to prove the integrity of climate science in the face of "unbalanced media coverage." Here's what PRI said:

The IPCC announced an independent panel to further review research. And leading figures—including the president's science advisor and the head of the National Academy of Sciences—have launched a full court press to defend the integrity of climate studies.

Penn State University Geosciences Professor Richard Alley, who helped write a section of the IPCC report, says the errors in the report, while minor, had a big impact with the public.

"It's shaken the confidence of some people in the public who have heard a lot of excitement about a bad paragraph and who may possibly think that because there's one bad paragraph, it's all bad," he said. "It's completely absurd. The effort that the authors put in, the quality of the science is very, very high."


 

It's not whether climate change is 'real' - it's evident to anyone with five physical senses that climate change is real.Even warmers have had to reluctantly and shamefully admit that there's been no warming in the last ten years and that their models are garbage. Their models have predicted NOTHING accurately.The only thing they are trying to do now is damage control! Well for one I am tired of all the lies.They are only interested in the money and control they would get for being able to tax the world's energy sources.
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I agree AGW is done, finished! The only thing they are trying to do now is damage control! Well for one I am tired of all the lies! I put my trust in these scientist as did the people of the world and they lied, manufactured there data, cherry picked data for a preconceived result! I personally will never trust the IPCC again without seeing there data and understanding how they came to there conclusions! I want them to explain to me how excluding 4500 temp stations and camparing the remaining 1500 stations to all the 6000 stations they used before and still have a valid result! also why did they leave all artic stations completely out when the artic should be the most important! sesli siteler

This entire line of reasoning is half-baked; the public, government and media are all looking at this in entirely the wrong way. It's not whether climate change is 'real' - it's evident to anyone with five physical senses that climate change is real.

No, the argument should be about whether or not is it *man made* climate change. A Climate change is a natural process, it has been for billions of years. To believe that man is at the center of the change is no less nonsensical than believing that the sun revolves around the Earth.anti slip tape

Wow, I can't believe the amount of global warming naysayers in this thread. Global warming obviously exists, and weather it is the cause of human activity or not remains a hotly contested debate (see above). But whether it is manmade or not, we do know that pollution from human activity severly damages our health and atmosphere, augmenting the effects of global warming - - so can we all agree that its a good idea to take measures to reduce our emissions? Yes, "Cap and Trade" is not a solution, or mnui, but a mere piece of a strategy. (carbon emissions in Europe will not be reduced by C + T alone, that is an unfair measure). Scientific studies have shown that there have been major climate rises and falls in the earth's history, and in fact, we are due for another one quite soon, but at the same time, does that mean we shouldn't worry about our negative contributions to the planet??

As others have noted, climate change is real enough. It has been going on since the Earth solidified from the primordial dust cloud. What is NOT real is anthropogenic global warming (AGW). What is real is that we have all been scammed for 30 years by Al, Phil, Mike, George and the other High Priests of the Church of Climate Change.

If you doubt it, do as I did.... read all thousand plus Climategate e-mails and the accompanying documents. If, after that, you think AGW is real, you had better go and see a good headshrinker.

Stop and think a moment... How come global temperatures have been FALLING for a decade? Also, how come "Cap & Trade" is supposedly going to get rid of CO2? What a scam that is!

Of COURSE climate change is real. That's why we're not buried under a mile of glacial ice here in Chicago like we were 10,000 years ago. Nobody is denying that. But let's be honest. None of the scientists and politicians jetting around talking about global warming actually give a damn about the climate. They are only interested in the money and control they would get for being able to tax the world's energy sources, this is all about wealth distribution and 'social justice'... I mean seriously, "earth justice?" WTF is that?

I am for a good clean enviroment, but the problem with global warming, it has absolutely nothing to do with polution! Let me ask anyone How will cap and trade and restricting CO2 clean up pollution? That is correct, it will not. Europe has already made cap and trade a law, and which way do you think there CO2 levels went, Yes up!! AGW is exagerated, there are soooo many more important causes to fight for, for instance Mountain Top Removel, and simular mining such as strip limestone removal, same practice as MTR but not as common. America as a country needs to find away to use renewable energy economically, but we do not have the technology yet!

My scepticism is based on the fact that the scientists wont release all the temp data for peer review by the sceptics for fear they will disprove their findings, and so any thing past that point any study, any article, anything is in doubt because the base data may be compromised.

So all the news we hear is tainted by the original biased data simple as that.

THE ONLY WAY FOR THE IPCC TO REGAIN CREDIBILITY IS TO START FROM SCRATCH OPENLY WITH FULL PEER REVIEWS, PROVE THE SCIENCE (NOT JUST WITHIN THEMSELVES) FREE FROM POLITICAL EYES.

Then they stand a chance. Personally I think if they did what i suggest they would find some warming, but negligable and not worthy of worry. Thats whats they are worried about and thats what all the scare tactics are based on. We are not stupid, this is not the 15th century.

And as for Al Gore, do your self a favor and SHUT UP , seriously everyone is sick of you including the tree hugging greenies, give it a rest. OH and withdraw that joke of a movie of yours, its just damaging the cause.

I agree AGW is done, finished! The only thing they are trying to do now is damage control! Well for one I am tired of all the lies! I put my trust in these scientist as did the people of the world and they lied, manufactured there data, cherry picked data for a preconceived result! I personally will never trust the IPCC again without seeing there data and understanding how they came to there conclusions! I want them to explain to me how excluding 4500 temp stations and camparing the remaining 1500 stations to all the 6000 stations they used before and still have a valid result! also why did they leave all artic stations completely out when the artic should be the most important!

"Evidence of climate change?" Yes. It's called weather. Evidence that "man-made" carbon dioxide is driving any of it in dangerous ways doesn't exist.

Even warmers have had to reluctantly and shamefully admit that there's been no warming in the last ten years and that their models are garbage. Their models have predicted NOTHING accurately. If they had ONE accurate climate model that matched real-world occurrences we'd know about it for sure as it'd be trumpeted all over the place my the warmers and their accomplices in the mainstream media.

The leaked emails from EAU show that their models were cooked to prove warming -- and even then they couldn't get them to do what they wanted.

The gig is up. You frauds will have to move on to some other manufactured disaster in order to secure your money and power. AGW goes down as a sham along with the danger from DDT and CFCs.

You LOSE.

A couple of small mistakes? This is the preeminent authority on global climate studies proving that they have covered dissenting opinions, made a sham of the peer review process to quash all other voices, and have not come up with data that actually goes along with their predictions.

Oh, and ask them where the original temperature sets are...they'll offer you the "distilled" version and tell you the originals were lost. Whoopsie daisy, sorry about that, we're just a couple-o-cooky old scientists that don't have good records keeping skills...can we still get our billion dollar research grants?

If Anonymous is right, and the "AGW religion is on it's way out the door", then this represents a triumph of wishful thinking and public relations over common sense and good science. As I have written, it seems likely that court processes, with rigorous rules of evidence and requirements for fairness, will continue to accept the scientific evidence of climate change. http://wcel.org/resources/environmental-law-alert/climate-science-still-....

It is too late for your apologetics. It is over. Done. The AGW religion is on it's way out the door.

Peace!

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